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ning

Joined: 08 Jun 2008
Posts: 7
Location: Japan

Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 11:10 pm Post subject: NZ jobs

hello. we'll be submitting out ITA next week. meanwhile, my husband and i have been applying for NZ jobs via the internet. so far, all replies had been negative because we're not in NZ yet. they told us to contact them again once we're there. we'd appreciate any advice on finding jobs in NZ prior to our arrival there. thanks.

levi

Joined: 16 Oct 2006
Posts: 236
Location: Auckland Central, New Zealand

Posted: Thu Jul 24, 2008 9:15 am Post subject: Re: NZ jobs

ning wrote:

hello.

we'll be submitting out ITA next week.
meanwhile, my husband and i have been applying for NZ jobs via the internet. so far, all replies had been negative because we're not in NZ yet. they told us to contact them again once we're there.
we'd appreciate any advice on finding jobs in NZ prior to our arrival there.

thanks.

They hire from the outside if the skill is really, really, really in demand. Like highly technical IT people and engineers.

At least they did not give you an outright rejection. Meanwhile, try to research if your skills are highly desirable here in new zealand before you arrive here at great expense. People who apply for WTR rarely get denied a WTR visa but not all who apply for WTR get residency later on since their skills and employment were not deemed as skilled by the new zealand immigration.

Good luck.

ning

Joined: 08 Jun 2008
Posts: 7
Location: Japan

Posted: Thu Jul 24, 2008 10:33 am Post subject:

hi. thanks. is the WTR the same as the General Skilled Migrant visa? we are applying for the latter, thinking that if granted, that would mean a permanent residency visa. and yes, my husband's skill is actually in their absolute shortage occupations (urban/regional planner) but i guess employment is still limited for him because it's generally a government-type of work. ning

levi

Joined: 16 Oct 2006
Posts: 236
Location: Auckland Central, New Zealand

Posted: Thu Jul 24, 2008 11:16 am Post subject:

ning wrote:

hi. thanks.
is the WTR the same as the General Skilled Migrant visa? we are applying for the latter, thinking that if granted, that would mean a permanent residency visa.
and yes, my husband's skill is actually in their absolute shortage occupations (urban/regional planner) but i guess employment is still limited for him because it's generally a government-type of work.

ning

Yes, the WTR and General Skilled Migrant are the same. Sorry to burst your bubble, but receiving a work visa under WTR/General Skilled Migrant visa does not automatically entitle you to a permanent residency visa. The principal applicant needs to find relevant skilled employment before residency is given within the period of his work visa.

That makes sense (regarding not getting a job offer since work experience is government related). I recently applied from a job at the government and yes, they prefer you are physically in new zealand before they consider you for the position.

Have you also tried looking into these websites:

www.jobs.govt.nz and
www.kelly.co.nz

they have lots of government-related jobs.

Good luck!

goodgal

Joined: 11 Jul 2008
Posts: 5

Posted: Mon Sep 01, 2008 6:20 pm Post subject:

Hi levi, I've browsed for weeks around the forum but I haven't found any information particularly relevant to my query (I beg your pardon if I missed them, I hope you can help me find the relevant thread/s). I'd like to ask as to whether accredited employers can/do directly hire overseas applicants (I mean those who are not physically in NZ)? I have forwarded online applications to accredited employers and am waiting for their replies. Btw, I am a technical writer/communicator by work experience but also have a Bachelor's degree in Management Accounting. Secondly, if they can/do, what weight does being in the New Zealand Register of Quality Assured Qualifications have? My college degree according to my assessment (Central Philippine University, GPA 1.9) occupies Level 7 of the Register. I'd highly appreciate any advice.

levi

Joined: 16 Oct 2006
Posts: 236
Location: Auckland Central, New Zealand

Posted: Tue Sep 02, 2008 8:23 am Post subject:

goodgal wrote:

Hi levi,

I've browsed for weeks around the forum but I haven't found any information particularly relevant to my query (I beg your pardon if I missed them, I hope you can help me find the relevant thread/s). I'd like to ask as to whether accredited employers can/do directly hire overseas applicants (I mean those who are not physically in NZ)? I have forwarded online applications to accredited employers and am waiting for their replies. Btw, I am a technical writer/communicator by work experience but also have a Bachelor's degree in Management Accounting.

Secondly, if they can/do, what weight does being in the New Zealand Register of Quality Assured Qualifications have? My college degree according to my assessment (Central Philippine University, GPA 1.9) occupies Level 7 of the Register.

I'd highly appreciate any advice. Smile

1. Do NZ employers hire people outside New Zealand? Yes, all the time. My husband was hired outside of new zealand.

Sadly, immigration have tightened their requirements regarding employing people from outside.

2. What's the weight of your NZQA regarding obtaining a work visa outside New Zealand?

Honestly? Zip. None. Nada. Zero. Zilch. Your NZQA is primarily aimed at giving you points in your EOI (application for Skilled Migrant Category).

From my personal experience and from the experinence people I know, employers in NZ place more value in "new zealand work experience" rather than qualifications.

So it does not matter if you are an Atenean or somebody who graduated from some public university in your province - that does not count, but "new zealand work experience" is.

So how come my husband had a job offer when he does not have "new zealand work experience"? He was not the first choice for the position - he was sort of like second or third choice because he was in another country. When the other candidates turned down the position, they were pretty desperate so they offered it to my husband.

Honestly, I had to send out 30 or so resumes before I got a job, and I am already here in New Zealand.

Hope this helps

Hane

Joined: 16 Aug 2005
Posts: 121

Posted: Wed Sep 03, 2008 1:36 pm Post subject:

ning There are vacancies in the district, city and regional councils for urban & regional planners. However one requirement of most of the councils is being on-shore. Another requirement for a planner is a background in Resource Management Act. However, some employers could be flexible and may consider experience in liue of the RMA. I have applied and been interviewed by three employers for a planner position and they were all after somebody who is a member of the Planning Institute. Luckily I got a policy analyst position which is perfect and is a combination of my planning & policy skills and experiences overseas. For local government jobs try here: http://localgovernmentcareers.govt.nz/ Btw I was also to some extent a technical writer in the Philippines, although I did not apply for one here. If you have journalism background you can look for a communications job.

goodgal

Joined: 11 Jul 2008
Posts: 5

Posted: Thu Sep 04, 2008 5:33 pm Post subject:

levi wrote:

1. Do NZ employers hire people outside New Zealand? Yes, all the time. My husband was hired outside of new zealand.

So I guess that means accredited employers are not the only ones that actually hire people from overseas. If it's not an accredited employer, I understand that I would have to apply for a temporary work visa under the Essential Skills policy. Is it possible to obtain residency if I am already working there on a temporary work visa?

Quote:

Sadly, immigration have tightened their requirements regarding employing people from outside.

2. What's the weight of your NZQA regarding obtaining a work visa outside New Zealand?

Honestly? Zip. None. Nada. Zero. Zilch. Your NZQA is primarily aimed at giving you points in your EOI (application for Skilled Migrant Category).

From my personal experience and from the experinence people I know, employers in NZ place more value in "new zealand work experience" rather than qualifications.

So it does not matter if you are an Atenean or somebody who graduated from some public university in your province - that does not count, but "new zealand work experience" is.

I indeed got that impression, but I took care to state my NZQA in my cover letters anyway. Smile

I thought it would give me a sort of edge over other applicants if they did consider someone from overseas.

Quote:

So how come my husband had a job offer when he does not have "new zealand work experience"? He was not the first choice for the position - he was sort of like second or third choice because he was in another country. When the other candidates turned down the position, they were pretty desperate so they offered it to my husband.

Honestly, I had to send out 30 or so resumes before I got a job, and I am already here in New Zealand.

Hope this helps

Well, at least you're already there as a partner. Smile

I just received an email from a recruitment agency in NZ (Icon Recruitment Ltd) asking me if I have plans to visit NZ in the near future, or if not, if I would be willing to cover the cost of a trip to NZ should they secure face to face interviews with clients. I'm writing a reply to them now.

I'm waiting for responses from accredited employers I have applied to.

Anyway, thanks for all the information. I really appreciate it. I am going to browse the forum some more. Smile

goodgal

Joined: 11 Jul 2008
Posts: 5

Posted: Thu Sep 04, 2008 5:43 pm Post subject:

Hane wrote:

ning

There are vacancies in the district, city and regional councils for urban & regional planners. However one requirement of most of the councils is being on-shore. Another requirement for a planner is a background in Resource Management Act. However, some employers could be flexible and may consider experience in liue of the RMA. I have applied and been interviewed by three employers for a planner position and they were all after somebody who is a member of the Planning Institute. Luckily I got a policy analyst position which is perfect and is a combination of my planning & policy skills and experiences overseas. For local government jobs try here: http://localgovernmentcareers.govt.nz/

Btw I was also to some extent a technical writer in the Philippines, although I did not apply for one here. If you have journalism background you can look for a communications job.

Hi Hane,

Good for you (finding work)! Smile

I believe I'm the one you're referring to by your comment about technical writers. I am indeed looking for communications jobs as I have a background in Communications/Public Relations. Most of the ads I've seen for Communications jobs strictly require that the applicant be in NZ, which is galling because I feel that I am tailor-made for some of those jobs. But that's to be expected. I hope I can finally find one and realize my dream of moving there.

levi

Joined: 16 Oct 2006
Posts: 236
Location: Auckland Central, New Zealand

Posted: Fri Sep 05, 2008 9:05 am Post subject:

goodgal wrote:

Hane wrote:

Hi Hane,

Good for you (finding work)! Smile

You'll find it more galling if they don't hire you because you don't have "new zealand work experience." Amazing how the system works, eh?!?

goodgal

Joined: 11 Jul 2008
Posts: 5

Posted: Fri Sep 05, 2008 7:17 pm Post subject:

^I can think of several retorts to that. Like Employer: We prefer someone with NZ work experience. Me: Hire me and I'll have one! Or Employer: Do you have NZ work experience? Me: If I had one, you think I'd be applying for this position?

levi

Joined: 16 Oct 2006
Posts: 236
Location: Auckland Central, New Zealand

Posted: Sat Sep 06, 2008 8:48 pm Post subject:

goodgal wrote:

^I can think of several retorts to that. Like

Employer: We prefer someone with NZ work experience.

Me: Hire me and I'll have one!

Or

Employer: Do you have NZ work experience?

Me: If I had one, you think I'd be applying for this position?

Laughing

Lol, nice bite. Good to hear you can stick your head up when needed.

Would it be possible for the recruiter to give you a teleconference interview? My husband had one.

Also, there is another poster in this forum who luckily had a job offer but hit a snag when it came to applying for exit clearance at the POEA - something to do with direct hires going to accredited local agencies before securing an exit clearance. I suggest you look that up as well.

Good luck.

phoenix924

Joined: 07 Sep 2008
Posts: 2

Posted: Sun Sep 07, 2008 6:29 am Post subject:

Hello po, Musta na application nyo? NZ nb kayo?Kami po searching jobs online din. We have received our ITA last Aug. I hope po makahanap tayo online since we decided na rin to settle there... phoenix924

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